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PISTOL GRIP
AK-47 • AK Discussions • Wood pistol grips - Chinese vs. Bulgarian Newaza Member Joined :: September 2005 Post Number :: 12 User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote I am planning to put a wood pistol grip on my SAM7, and I am looking at either the blond Bulgarian wood grip from KVAR, or a darker Chinese wood grip at Gunbroker. Has anyone compared these grips side by sisde? Which is fatter? I like the looks of the Chinese grip better, but I'd probably wind up getting whichever one is a thicker/fatter grip. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ironwood sells pistol grips also. Either walnut or laminate. Don't overlook them. The Chinese made 3 grip types. 1. skinny no checkering 2. skinny w/checkering 3. fat w/checkering The fat ones were on the later PolyTechs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken Here is a Bulgarian wood grip from KVAR: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Newaza: I am planning to put a wood pistol grip on my SAM7, and I am looking at either the blond Bulgarian wood grip from KVAR, or a darker Chinese wood grip at Gunbroker. Has anyone compared these grips side by sisde? Which is fatter? I like the looks of the Chinese grip better, but I'd probably wind up getting whichever one is a thicker/fatter grip. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bulgarian grip is quite fat and I think it's fatter than the fat chinese grips, and it's made of a denser wood, where as the Chinese is made of a cheaper type of wood that's more likely to chip. I would go with the Bulgarian blonde wood grip that's available from KVAR. here's a comparison of the thickness between the Chinese and the Bulgarian. Keep in mind that the Bulgarian grip pictured had the checkering sanded off on both sides, while the chinese one is left intact, therefore the Bulgarian grip is in reality even fatter than what it looks from the picture. You might also want to consider a Polish wood grip, because those are the same thickness as the Bulgarians but they are made of more easily stained wood, in case that you want to refinish the grip to match the rest of the furinture. I have a Polish one on my Classic, it's really nice. Mine came prestained and matches the laminated forend and buttstock, even though it's solid wood. Winslow Armory is bringing in all kinds of Polish militaria now. www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=95&t=80975 Newaza Member Joined :: September 2005 Post Number :: 14 Newaza Member Joined :: September 2005 Post Number :: 15 User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I just ordered one of the laminated polish grips from Winslow. Thanks Templar . I still plan to get the Bulgarian wood grip as well, so that I can compare the two. I really want to shape the grip so it fits my hand perfectly. I assume it's OK to sand laminated stuff? (I have no experience with any of this). Thanks again, guys. You should be fine sanding the laminated grip, the wood is stabilized and shouldn't come "unglued". Glad we could all help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "One day we will all learn that cool guy gear does not a shooter make"......Pat Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Newaza: Darkest2000, I see that the Bulgarian grip you sanded down is very dark. It's really nice. How does it feel with the checkering removed? What kind of stain did you use? When I get the blond grip, I'd like to refinish it so that it's darker and matches the black furniture better. Again, thank you for all your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I use Minwax's red mahogany, however, if you want a darker finish, like I said the Polish hard wood grip will accept stain much better. The Bulgarian wood is very hard to deal with in terms of having it accept stain, at least in my experience. With the checkering removed...it feels well, smoother, i did it mainly because the original Russian type III AK pistol grips didn't have any checkering, plus I think it looks better without it. Just a matter of personal preference. I would go laminate from ironwood or blond bulgy...the chinese look cheep Online Store Chat Photo Mail Help Lite Version Advertiser Information AR-15 New Topic Reply Forward Subscribe AR-15 • AR Discussions • Coyote Brown A2 Pistol Grips now available! SinistralRifleman Industry Partner Joined :: May 2001 Post Number :: 4990 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We recently completed an A2 pistol grip mold to further solidify our position in the industry as a one stop shop for everything plastic for the AR-15 family of rifles. Our part number for the A2 Grip is the C9. These grips are now available in Black (MSRP $6.00), Coyote Brown and Green (MSRP $10.00). You will be able to purchase them from all participating dealers. I imagine those who stock them will chime in shortly... The great thing about this is it effectively reduces the cost of converting to a different color furniture set by $20.00 or so as the only grips previously available in Coyote Brown were more elaborate and retailed at a higher price. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:20:34 PM EST bolster Team Member Joined :: May 2004 Post Number :: 526 TX, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So does this mean that tan is officially dead? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diplomatic Immunity! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:25:04 PM EST SinistralRifleman Industry Partner Joined :: May 2001 Post Number :: 4991 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By bolster: So does this mean that tan is officially dead? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We haven't produced tan parts in over 2 years. The coyote Brown out sold the Desert Tan in it's first 6 months of production, compared to the 3 years the Desert Tan was available. We donated all our remaining Desert Tan furniture in stock to various military units from from 2004-2005. If a distributor wants more desert tan furniture, we can make it, but they will need to order 500 pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:28:31 PM EST bolster Team Member Joined :: May 2004 Post Number :: 527 TX, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By SinistralRifleman: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By bolster: So does this mean that tan is officially dead? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We haven't produced tan parts in over 2 years. The coyote Brown out sold the Desert Tan in it's first 6 months of production, compared to the 3 years the Desert Tan was available. We donated all our remaining Desert Tan furniture in stock to various military units from from 2004-2005. If a distributor wants more desert tan furniture, we can make it, but they will need to order 500 pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK- thanks. I was just asking for curiosity's sake. That, and I have some tan furniture. Will it now be "rare and collectible?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diplomatic Immunity! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:35:31 PM EST SWO_daddy Member Joined :: June 2004 Post Number :: 4612 OH, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the difference between Coyote Brown and tan? Is that the new tactical name for tan? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:43:12 PM EST SinistralRifleman Industry Partner Joined :: May 2001 Post Number :: 4993 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By SWO_daddy: What is the difference between Coyote Brown and tan? Is that the new tactical name for tan? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tan was the light color tan off of the military's Desert Combat Uniforms. Coyote Brown is a darker color we have been selling since April of 2003. Tan *DISCONTINUED* Coyote Brown current production -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 3:48:37 PM EST Last Edited :: 2/17/2006 3:50:56 PM EST by SinistralRifleman imposter Member Joined :: February 2001 Post Number :: 4070 UT, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excellent, I have three rifles with your furniture that still have black grips because I hate the Ergo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 4:04:44 PM EST Hookecho Member Joined :: January 2006 Post Number :: 13 KS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am going to get smacked for this but ...... Who is "We"? and does We have a web page? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 4:19:25 PM EST ASUsax Team Member (OlllllllO) Joined :: April 2003 Post Number :: 3612 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Hookecho: I am going to get smacked for this but ...... Who is "We"? and does We have a web page? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'They' would be Cav Arms, in Gilbert, Az. Good people. www.cavalryarms.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Words of Wisdom, By Albert Einstein (1879-1955) 'I'm sensing a great disturbance in the w00t!' - markm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 4:22:00 PM EST Hookecho Member Joined :: January 2006 Post Number :: 14 KS, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thank you kind sir! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 4:24:10 PM EST bjwar10 Member Joined :: January 2004 Post Number :: 2043 AL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 4:25:43 PM EST AyeGuy Member Joined :: July 2005 Post Number :: 1677 CA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you planning on producing any items in the new SOCOM Ranger Green? Like VLTOR and TangoDown are switching over to? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/17/2006 11:39:49 PM EST Last Edited :: 2/17/2006 11:40:05 PM EST by AyeGuy NVGdude Member Joined :: December 2005 Post Number :: 93 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coyote Brown, mmmn, Now if there was a local stocking dealer in Gilbert/Mesa/Tempe/AJ. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 12:37:55 AM EST arbob Team Member Joined :: January 2001 Post Number :: 1628 NJ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOOT! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 12:44:28 AM EST AyeGuy Member Joined :: July 2005 Post Number :: 1699 CA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By AyeGuy: Are you planning on producing any items in the new SOCOM Ranger Green? Like VLTOR and TangoDown are switching over to? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 9:16:32 PM EST Last Edited :: 2/18/2006 9:17:45 PM EST by AyeGuy GENESMITH Team Member BE NICE OR I'LL STAB YOU WITH MY PISTOL!! Joined :: January 2005 Post Number :: 452 GU, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By imposter: Excellent, I have three rifles with your furniture that still have black grips because I hate the Ergo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARE YOU ON DRUGS? That is the nicest grip I've ever held. I have a hogue too, but MUCH prefer the Ergo. Just kidding ya. Do you not like the feel/texture or is the size? Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I ....... C A N ' T ........ W A I T .......... T O ........... R E T I R E ! ! ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 9:30:13 PM EST Deep-Blue Member Joined :: March 2005 Post Number :: 29 TN, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right, so whats the difference between coyote brown and "dark flat earth" or whatever they're calling it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 11:03:49 PM EST AyeGuy Member Joined :: July 2005 Post Number :: 1704 CA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Deep-Blue: Right, so whats the difference between coyote brown and "dark flat earth" or whatever they're calling it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The handguard on the left and the buttstock on the right are from CavArms and they are "coyote brown". The TangoDown Battle grip next to the Cav handguard is "Flat Dark Earth". They are exactly the same color. The other stocks in the pic are the older "tan", which has been discontinued by both TangoDown and VLTOR in favor of Flat Dark Earth, which is a SOCOM milspec color. In the next pic below we have three companies' products; all colors match: TangoDown and VLTOR in the new "Flat Dark Earth" and CavArms "coyote brown". The newest SOCOM color is Ranger Green, and both VLTOR and TangoDown are switching to this color. The old green color they used before (based on the KAC green used on rail covers) is being discontinued in favor of the milspec Ranger Green. The pistol grip on this rifle is the new Ranger Green, and the other stocks are the older green which is on the way out. I hope CavArms follows suite and switches to Ranger Green. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/18/2006 11:33:52 PM EST Last Edited :: 2/18/2006 11:50:32 PM EST by AyeGuy M4-AK Member Joined :: April 2001 Post Number :: 1712 : Night Vision : Gow Sticks : Rifle Scopes : CamouflageFL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By AyeGuy: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Deep-Blue: Right, so whats the difference between coyote brown and "dark flat earth" or whatever they're calling it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/colors.jpg The handguard on the left and the buttstock on the right are from CavArms and they are "coyote brown". The TangoDown Battle grip next to the Cav handguard is "Flat Dark Earth". They are exactly the same color. The other stocks in the pic are the older "tan", which has been discontinued by both TangoDown and VLTOR in favor of Flat Dark Earth, which is a SOCOM milspec color. In the next pic below we have three companies' products; all colors match: TangoDown and VLTOR in the new "Flat Dark Earth" and CavArms "coyote brown". i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/fde1.jpg The newest SOCOM color is Ranger Green, and both VLTOR and TangoDown are switching to this color. The old green color they used before (based on the KAC green used on rail covers) is being discontinued in favor of the milspec Ranger Green. i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/rangergreen.jpg The pistol grip on this rifle is the new Ranger Green, and the other stocks are the older green which is on the way out. I hope CavArms follows suite and switches to Ranger Green. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's hear it for this years trendy fashion colors....... WTF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/19/2006 1:01:23 PM EST SinistralRifleman Industry Partner Joined :: May 2001 Post Number :: 4995 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By AyeGuy: Are you planning on producing any items in the new SOCOM Ranger Green? Like VLTOR and TangoDown are switching over to? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will continue to sell Olive Drab green, as first made by Armalite, then Rock River Arms. All our green parts were made to match this color. Our OEM clients prefer this color of green, and it matches the vast majority of other green parts out there. If a distributor would like us to manufacture parts in SOCOM Ranger Green, we could do it, as long as they order a minimum of 500 pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/19/2006 2:15:00 PM EST redfisher Team Member OCGunD Joined :: November 2002 Post Number :: 6441 FL, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there a set of ladder rail covers (anyones) that match your new grip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://operationthankyou.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/19/2006 2:34:12 PM EST SinistralRifleman Industry Partner Joined :: May 2001 Post Number :: 4999 AZ, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By redfisher: Is there a set of ladder rail covers (anyones) that match your new grip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ergo Grip/Falcon covers match, and the tango down rail covers are close to identical. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 2/19/2006 2:52:38 PM EST RustyTX Dealer Joined :: September 2002 Post Number :: 3529 TX, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We did get some of the Coyote A2's in today... Thanks Russell. dsgarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=952 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://dsgarms.com --------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted :: 3/2/2006 5:45:10 PM EST AR-15 • AR Discussions • Coyote Brown A2 Pistol Grips now available! AR-15 New Topic Reply Forward Subscribe Copyright © 1996 - 2006 :: AR15.Com LLC :: All Rights Reserved. Advertise Membership Donations Discussion Forums About Us Calendar Range Locator Chat Server Mail Server Photo Server Conduct Code Instant Messenger Profile Tool Change Password Change Email Product Reviews Articles Guides Books Legal Issues Manuals & Downloads Links Help |
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